Hi SocialDancer
THat's a good one. I like it!! And the delay will vary a litle with temperature and air pressure also
But to get back to the serious stuff... Dancing on &s doesn't necessarily mean dancing out of time, nor do you need to rattle off the beats and half-beats in your head. We wouldn't do this to do a chassis in slow waltz, for example. We just learn the feel of it.
I rest my case on two points:
1)It feels much better
2)Sinkinson (and others of course)does it

Go to Mirko and Assessia basic foxtrot feather and time the swing of the legs from the back position to the front position by pausing the movement at the start of the swing of the first step then keep clicking the space bar with a regular beat. I get a pattern of {7clicks,7clicks,9clicks} The 9clicks is the swing of the third step. But common sense tells you that as the body slows down at the end of the rise the RF will drift. This is even more evident in John Woods swinging action. All my teachers taught me that the second quick was slower than the first,one of them being a world finalist.

cdroge. With the music. Is the second quick slower than the first. Is this every second quick. The second quick of a Weave . Is that closer than the first. If you are talking steps. Does the same rule apply.
Earlier didn't you say that if I compare Sinkerson with others he seems to dance all steps at the same speed with a continuouse flow. Could it be he is on time.
Incidently you have more to do on the second quick .On that same beat you have to come into a neutral position and also lower, then balance, and also change the shoulder line. A bit like three in a Waltz where we are at our highest and our lowest on the same beat. does all of this make sense or not.
I just had a look at Andrew's Foxtrot.I think the part which is causing ,the discussion is on a Feather Finish where the lady has further to go and we are taught to give her enough time to do her step by delaying a fraction. I think you will find she on the second quick is right on the button.

Serendipidy you have just proved my point,as you said there is more to do on the second quick and so it takes more time. As for the weave since they are all quicks you will be on the beat. Yes I know the first step is a slow.

Hi Serendipity
Assuming you mean the Sinkinson link i posted some time back... He starts with a feather step, reverse turn, feather finish. He's on 1&, 3, 4& on the feather step and reverse turn. The video cuts to a close-up on the feather finish and you can't see the feet, but they're perfectly together as a couple. Later they do feather finishes using the 1&, 3, 4& timing. THere is an extended reverse wave (not weave) where he does this timing throughout. When there is an extended sequence of quicks he does hit them on the beat. It's all to do with interpreting the music.
I don't know whether you're a fan of Ella Fitzgerald, but listen to some of her Rodgers and Hart or Cole Porter Song book numbers. She doesn't sing on the beat. It would sound less interesting if she did.
Sinkinson's foxtrots are fabulous. Gozzoli has a better shoulder line and back, but Sinkinson is far more enjoyable to watch (slow foxtrot i'm talking about) because his interpretation is exquisite and in my book, that's more important. Just watch how he matches the song in both mood and tempo - wouldn't you die to be able to dance like that?

Serendipidy you just don't get it? It's not on Sinkinsons feather finish but on the whole basic dance. When I mentioned foot placements I was not talking about steps but body swing & flight. It has nothing to do with steps,as long as you think in step's you will never understand. Cheers

You can't use YouTube videos to see the relationship between steps and beats of music. Because of the processing and extremely low quality of these video clips, the video and audio portions are not sync'ed properly. Usually the audio is delayed significantly. That is very apparent if you look at any clips other than foxtrot where feet should land on the beats. You will see that they don't, and that is not really what is happening.

If this thread continues much longer, the columns are only going to be one word wide, then after that just hyphenated letters. Is this really necessary? Maybe this is a way of cutting off a discussion of a certain number of posts.

cdroge.I think we should look at where the man is supposed to be facing and where the lady on the same step five is facing on a Feather Finish.
Now go to the Quarter Turn in the Quickstep . On step two where should the lady be facing and where should the man be on the same step. If you like go to the V. Waltz 5th step . again where should the man be facing on step 5. And the lady is facing.???
Why have I put that in. Because there has to be a change between the one on the inside of the movement and the one on the outside of the movement, They can't possibly both land at the same time. So if you are one of these frame by frame guys, or beat analysers are they watching both at the same time or are they watching one and come away with the idea that both are exactly at the same. One of the bodies must be turning later. Wouldn't it be nice if this was explained at the beginner level.

Your quote " exp. etc at begin level ".

I would sincerely hope that ALL trained teachers would !!

"On step two where should the lady be facing and where should the man be on the same step. If you like go to the V. Waltz 5th step . again where should the man be facing on step 5. And the lady is facing.???"

The BODY alignments will match between partners.

But FOOT alignments will differ during the second step - the inside person places the second step with much of the foot turn already made, while the outside person continues the original alignment in their feet, and only then turns.

In short, bodies match, feet don't.